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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 20, 2008 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

Cream Puff War is LISTED none times. It was likely played 20-30 times. I know they played it often in early 1967. Golden Road surely got many more outings as well.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 20, 2008 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

An excellent and oft overlooked point. As well documented as this band's career is, we're still missing huge chunks of data from 1966-68.

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Poster: acetboy Date: Jan 20, 2008 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

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This post was modified by acetboy on 2008-05-29 22:07:21

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-01-20 19:27:58

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 20, 2008 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

When compared to later years, the completeness of the recordings and accuracy of circulating setlists for this period (esp. '66 and early '67) is spotty at best. Just because someone posts a date or setlist on the internet doesn't mean it's accurate. Even Lemeaux (and Latvala before him) has noted that the little that exists in the vault from these years is often incomplete or mislabeled. We can easily verify later years from the multiple circulating recordings combined with other available data from that tour (itineraries, etc.). Not so with this primordial stuff, where often all we have to go on are a fragment of a show, a newspaper account, and/or people's hazy recollections 40 years after the fact. When the Dead were still essentially an underground act, it’s perfectly understandable that no one could have fathomed anyone would still care about the dates and setlists of their shows years later, much less several decades.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: May 29, 2008 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

Golden Road (To Unlimited Devotion)...

vintage versions on 2 surviving tapes of live shows:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-05-05.sbs.yerys.1595.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-03-18.sbd.sacks.1594.shnf

indicate that they played it at least during mid-1967
(if not around the end of 1966, as with the flip-side of the single, Cream Puff War).

Also the band made a promo (in the early days especially, untypical of them), a lip-synch performance film for Golden Road, also in 1967, with a 3 or 4 camera pro-shoot (aired in '67 on Whicker's World in the UK)

--it was the 1st single off their debut album, and it was the 1st song on side 1--

usually material placed in that noticable a position wasn't dumped after 2 or 3 plays...
they must have played the song more than twice during early to mid-'67, surely!

But as said on this thread, '66-'68 setlists weren't being saved and even taping at the time was sporadic- I mean, what was their typical 1965 set like?

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Poster: acetboy Date: Jan 20, 2008 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

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This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-01-20 19:27:45

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 20, 2008 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: so you think your a GD expert

Yeah, I was surprised to see CPW listed. I do not have many of the 66-67 shows, BUT almost everyone has this song. Thus, without even trying I can think of at least five versions. And they played a very consistent set list during most of early 67, so my guess is they played it more than ten times easily...just don't know though...

However, most of those other songs are more recent ones that would seem to be well researched (ie, any post 70).